Hmmm…. So how exactly is it Ok to draw a parallel between transubstantiation and transgenderism. As a Catholic parent of a son sucked into the gender cult, you cannot imagine how offensive that is. Mr. Kay, I am quite disappointed in you.
Please don’t use the name of a feminine hygiene product (douche bag) as a term of abuse for men you want to insult. There is nothing repulsive in a woman using a douche bag to rinse her vagina after sex or at the end of her period, except in the mind of men who find women’s genitals and female bodily functions repulsive.
"Rather, they’re coming from feminists and LGB activists who are tired of seeing their movements get hijacked by male narcissists demanding sexual access to lesbians, ghoulish clinicians eager to convince gay autistic girls that they’re actually 'straight' trans boys, and cynical progressives who dumped their feminist convictions in favour of what is effectively a men’s rights movement in 'intersectional' fishnet cosplay."
As a gay man in my late 60s who was a sissy boy in the late 50s and early 60s, I fear that many of today's sissies will not be permitted to develop normally into gay men if they happen to be born into a family of trans "allies" in a progressive state where public and private institutions promote gender identity ideology.
Gender fluidity may be admired in queer circles, but in many parts of the trans world traditional sexual stereotypes (in trans speak, gender stereotypes) serve as makers of a child's sex or, in the trans lexicon, gender. From an early age I was clearly gender nonconfoming. No snips and snails and puppy dogs' tails for me. I was sugar and spice and everything nice. I detested horseplay and had no interest in chasing balls around like a frenzied pup. Thought I never thought of myself as anything other than a boy, I threw away my cap guns and loved playing with my Barbie doll.
Today that would be enough to get an unfortunate proto-gay sissy classified as a girl, put into a dress and set on the path to social transition. In blue states most public schools make a conspicuous show of their support for "LGBT" kids, but I fear that schools and other "affirming" institutions have been so thoroughly captured by gender identity ideology that they haven't developed separate policies, procedures and materials specifically for same-sex attracted youth.
Yes, very well put. The sanctimonious progressive douchebags are with us. I want to say "again", because I suspect they are somewhat like the 17-year cicadas, emerging when conditions are just right. This year we have Brood Beardsplainer. Before that there was....Brood Metrosexual? Brood Hipster? Sons of Brood LoveGuru and Brood BeatPoet?
"Genderwang channels the magical thinking of Christian transubstantiation"
Another example of Ray's Law of the Conservation of Irrationality. See, we used to think that all the magic and silliness attached to religion was a bug. NO! It is a feature. Monkeys simply must believe something silly, somehow their rationality requires this counterpoint. Sorta the same way that very well behaved Britons feel the need to become animals when soccer games happen -- they need the outlet and the better behaved they are most of the time, the worse behaved they'll be at the stadium.
So, religion used to give the monkeys a 'safe space' for their irrationality. They could believe that Jesus walked on water, for example, and be perfectly rational otherwise. Many exemplary scientists have been and are Catholic. But the 'rationalists' have killed Christianity, and the result is not a more rational world, but rather conserved irrationality has bubbled up in a much more dangerous way -- genderwang and wokeness in general. SO much better when we knew men couldn't get pregnant even if Jesus was born of a virgin, eh? Now it's the converse and ... well, here we are.
Some comments here, unlike the article itself, show that the barrier is flimsy and weak between opposition to the "Genderwang" cult (which is sanity and which I fully share) and an outgushing of pent-up homophobia and transphobia. As Genderwankers are capitalizing on the "last shall be first" predispositions of progressives, homophobes and transphobes are capitalizing on the backlash as an opening to, e.g., roll back gay marriage, that most sane and normalizing of new tolerances. Thus do extremes benefit only each other, and not the rest of us.
You are correct. Several gender-critical Substacks I will not name are plagued by homophobes of diverse stripes. There's a self-described ultra-Orthodox Jew who unabashedly refers to gay people as perverts. Some Christians are still litigating same-sex marriage. Perhaps the worst are the philosophy bros who have an axe to grind against classical liberalism, John Stewart Mills and his intellectual heirs. They blame him for what they denounce as an anything-goes, me-centric ethos that is responsible for the sexual revolution, the feminist movement, gay rights and probably no-fault divorce to boot. We're even blamed for the impending downfall of Western Civilization!
I've seen far more homophobia from trans rights activists than from anyone else in the last few years. Sometimes it's explicit hatred, like banning lesbians from pride or attacking them for their dating preferences; sometimes it's "merely" that they think anyone who isn't stereotypically straight needs experimental surgery. Let's roll it all back first, and then we can worry about what counts as *-phobia.
"roll back gay marriage, that most sane and normalizing of new tolerances."
Or not. Gay marriage is not the catastrophe that subsequent wokeness has been but I submit that it was/is one of the first steps in the destruction of language and the overturning of reality. A small step, but it cracked open the door. IMHO 'marriage' should have continued to mean what it has always meant in every age, in every culture -- the forming of that social bond which is the foundation of the natural family. Yes gays can love each other and they should indeed have Civil Union ... but it isn't a marriage. 'Gay marriage' is the the mother of 'transwoman' -- nonsense.
Interesting response, with the exception of they repeated reference to non-existent mental disorders. There are no such 'phobias' - a diagnosable and treatable forms of an extreme anxiety disorder - relating to homosexuality or gender dysphoria; https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/dsm
A phobic would not engage in such activity and would, in fact, avoid their triggers.
They are fake words coined by fascists and used by cowards in a vain attempt to manipulate morons.
As you clearly don't have the intellectual capacity or critical thinking skills to have coined them, which of the latter two are you - if not both?
You write: "No system of beliefs built on this kind of tortured thinking and wilful rejection of reality can survive." I disagree.
Over the last several decades, male homosexual advocates have successfully conflated civil rights will biological fantasies.
No sane and civil person would now challenge the proposition that homosexual men and women should be fully protected by the laws of the land. However, along with this political revolution, homosexual men have successfully enforced two absurd myths: 1) the rectum is a sex organ; 2) persistent homosexuality is common in many other animal species.
I believe that these truly deranged claims have laid the groundwork for today's Genderwang madness.
Until homosexuality is recognized as a kind of birth defect - a misalignment of sexual anatomy and reproductive targeting behaviors - the engine of myth-making will power on at full throttle.
Biologist here. Do you know how evolution works? Homosexuality is a thing because on the balance (key phrase), for our ancestors, homosexual relationships very slightly increased chances of survival to reproduction. Not necessarily the individual, but the individual's genetic group (family).
It doesn't matter whether the rectum is a sex organ. In fact I would believe you if you said the evidence shows that anal sex by itself is not adaptive, does not increase chances of survival. What matters a bit more is the impact of the homosexual bond on the chances of survival of the genetic group.
There is zero evidence that homosexual men contribute to family survival in the present day. Aunts and grandmothers do far more to protect children than a homosexual brother or uncle. In my experience, homosexual men and women don't give a hoot in hell about anyone else's children. Projecting this fantasy into the past is so dumb it's not even wrong.
It's a great shame the Danish study missed the opportunity to tell us what we need to know: does transition reduce psychiatric morbidity and suicide? Their raw data could be re-analyzed if it were made available, but there seems to be a certain reluctance to even examine this question. One interesting tidbit has been published though—out of 15,000 kids referred to the Tavistock Clinic over a ten year period, there were four suicides. Rather suggests the "dead daughter or live son" dichotomy is hyperbole, doesn't it?
It did tell, but you need access to the full text to see it. There was a guest access key that someone posted, but now it's not working. I read the article while the access key was still working.
The key detail in the full text is that the median age of suicides/attempts was 27.
The median age of identifying as trans was 22, so on the average, the ones that attempted/succeeded at suicide did so 5 years after identifying as trans. Not something you would expect if transitioning helped!
Anyway, here's the link to the partial text for reference:
These results are consistent with the Swedish study, which showed that suicide rates rose starting 10 years after transition, to a rate far exceeding the control group.
Jon, what I still have trouble with is that you and so many others (ex: Andrew Doyle, and so many others) expose credible evidence of this whackaloonery, when I share yet another example to others in conversation, they are in disbelief that this is a thing!
I don’t think it’s ending. I see no end in sight. Whatever, because I am really done having my reality stolen by .5% of the population and I’m done having everyone casually shrug this Sex Denialism cult. And as for kindness blah blah-I don’t want to feel obliged to appease people who hate their bodies. Particularly when everyone has basically dropped women on our heads. Life is hard everyone can carry their flipping bags. I’m done with this crap. I’m not gonna be nice anymore. I have nothing anyone can take so I’m gonna go for it. NoFear.
This is nowhere near ending (though I understand why people wish it were so).
Trans has now become a sacred belief for almost the entire educated urban culture class of the Anglosphere, including all of Hollywood, the Dem Party, the MSM, academia, and just about anyone under 30 who's been to college and lives in a city.
When almost every power center gets behind a sacred narrative, claims that any dissent is profane pollution and the demon who committed it needs to be cast out, they are not just going to wake up en masse one day and say, Oh, sorry, our bad.
The New Left did not spend 50 years on a Long March to seize the means of cultural production in order to back down or give up on one of their most cherished goals: the demonization and deconstruction of the mammalian sex binary, to be replaced by jargon-based radical gnosticism. The goal is to tear down all "oppressive norms" so the first become last and the last become first, and yesterday's victims become today's holy children, or more simply: they wanted to hold the whip, they have the whip, they're not putting down the whip anytime soon.
There are two key characteristics of this cult that stand out: 1) they came after children with the unapologetic intent to physically mutilate them; 2) they viciously attacked the livelihoods of those who dared question their insane delusions. That transformed this cult from an oddity to a danger to society.
Thanks Mr Kay for your pertinent and informative article. I have personal experience with gender dysphoria, and it is very disconcerting, to say the least.
We live in a world where some interpret two women in a Cafe staring at a wall as violence, and are legitimised.
Hmmm…. So how exactly is it Ok to draw a parallel between transubstantiation and transgenderism. As a Catholic parent of a son sucked into the gender cult, you cannot imagine how offensive that is. Mr. Kay, I am quite disappointed in you.
Please don’t use the name of a feminine hygiene product (douche bag) as a term of abuse for men you want to insult. There is nothing repulsive in a woman using a douche bag to rinse her vagina after sex or at the end of her period, except in the mind of men who find women’s genitals and female bodily functions repulsive.
"Rather, they’re coming from feminists and LGB activists who are tired of seeing their movements get hijacked by male narcissists demanding sexual access to lesbians, ghoulish clinicians eager to convince gay autistic girls that they’re actually 'straight' trans boys, and cynical progressives who dumped their feminist convictions in favour of what is effectively a men’s rights movement in 'intersectional' fishnet cosplay."
As a gay man in my late 60s who was a sissy boy in the late 50s and early 60s, I fear that many of today's sissies will not be permitted to develop normally into gay men if they happen to be born into a family of trans "allies" in a progressive state where public and private institutions promote gender identity ideology.
Gender fluidity may be admired in queer circles, but in many parts of the trans world traditional sexual stereotypes (in trans speak, gender stereotypes) serve as makers of a child's sex or, in the trans lexicon, gender. From an early age I was clearly gender nonconfoming. No snips and snails and puppy dogs' tails for me. I was sugar and spice and everything nice. I detested horseplay and had no interest in chasing balls around like a frenzied pup. Thought I never thought of myself as anything other than a boy, I threw away my cap guns and loved playing with my Barbie doll.
Today that would be enough to get an unfortunate proto-gay sissy classified as a girl, put into a dress and set on the path to social transition. In blue states most public schools make a conspicuous show of their support for "LGBT" kids, but I fear that schools and other "affirming" institutions have been so thoroughly captured by gender identity ideology that they haven't developed separate policies, procedures and materials specifically for same-sex attracted youth.
Yes, very well put. The sanctimonious progressive douchebags are with us. I want to say "again", because I suspect they are somewhat like the 17-year cicadas, emerging when conditions are just right. This year we have Brood Beardsplainer. Before that there was....Brood Metrosexual? Brood Hipster? Sons of Brood LoveGuru and Brood BeatPoet?
Pardon! 😂
"Genderwang channels the magical thinking of Christian transubstantiation"
Another example of Ray's Law of the Conservation of Irrationality. See, we used to think that all the magic and silliness attached to religion was a bug. NO! It is a feature. Monkeys simply must believe something silly, somehow their rationality requires this counterpoint. Sorta the same way that very well behaved Britons feel the need to become animals when soccer games happen -- they need the outlet and the better behaved they are most of the time, the worse behaved they'll be at the stadium.
So, religion used to give the monkeys a 'safe space' for their irrationality. They could believe that Jesus walked on water, for example, and be perfectly rational otherwise. Many exemplary scientists have been and are Catholic. But the 'rationalists' have killed Christianity, and the result is not a more rational world, but rather conserved irrationality has bubbled up in a much more dangerous way -- genderwang and wokeness in general. SO much better when we knew men couldn't get pregnant even if Jesus was born of a virgin, eh? Now it's the converse and ... well, here we are.
Some comments here, unlike the article itself, show that the barrier is flimsy and weak between opposition to the "Genderwang" cult (which is sanity and which I fully share) and an outgushing of pent-up homophobia and transphobia. As Genderwankers are capitalizing on the "last shall be first" predispositions of progressives, homophobes and transphobes are capitalizing on the backlash as an opening to, e.g., roll back gay marriage, that most sane and normalizing of new tolerances. Thus do extremes benefit only each other, and not the rest of us.
You are correct. Several gender-critical Substacks I will not name are plagued by homophobes of diverse stripes. There's a self-described ultra-Orthodox Jew who unabashedly refers to gay people as perverts. Some Christians are still litigating same-sex marriage. Perhaps the worst are the philosophy bros who have an axe to grind against classical liberalism, John Stewart Mills and his intellectual heirs. They blame him for what they denounce as an anything-goes, me-centric ethos that is responsible for the sexual revolution, the feminist movement, gay rights and probably no-fault divorce to boot. We're even blamed for the impending downfall of Western Civilization!
I've seen far more homophobia from trans rights activists than from anyone else in the last few years. Sometimes it's explicit hatred, like banning lesbians from pride or attacking them for their dating preferences; sometimes it's "merely" that they think anyone who isn't stereotypically straight needs experimental surgery. Let's roll it all back first, and then we can worry about what counts as *-phobia.
"roll back gay marriage, that most sane and normalizing of new tolerances."
Or not. Gay marriage is not the catastrophe that subsequent wokeness has been but I submit that it was/is one of the first steps in the destruction of language and the overturning of reality. A small step, but it cracked open the door. IMHO 'marriage' should have continued to mean what it has always meant in every age, in every culture -- the forming of that social bond which is the foundation of the natural family. Yes gays can love each other and they should indeed have Civil Union ... but it isn't a marriage. 'Gay marriage' is the the mother of 'transwoman' -- nonsense.
Interesting response, with the exception of they repeated reference to non-existent mental disorders. There are no such 'phobias' - a diagnosable and treatable forms of an extreme anxiety disorder - relating to homosexuality or gender dysphoria; https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/dsm
A phobic would not engage in such activity and would, in fact, avoid their triggers.
They are fake words coined by fascists and used by cowards in a vain attempt to manipulate morons.
As you clearly don't have the intellectual capacity or critical thinking skills to have coined them, which of the latter two are you - if not both?
Gee, and I thought Substack comment threads were the last refuge of sanity in a mad world. Guess not.
You write: "No system of beliefs built on this kind of tortured thinking and wilful rejection of reality can survive." I disagree.
Over the last several decades, male homosexual advocates have successfully conflated civil rights will biological fantasies.
No sane and civil person would now challenge the proposition that homosexual men and women should be fully protected by the laws of the land. However, along with this political revolution, homosexual men have successfully enforced two absurd myths: 1) the rectum is a sex organ; 2) persistent homosexuality is common in many other animal species.
I believe that these truly deranged claims have laid the groundwork for today's Genderwang madness.
Until homosexuality is recognized as a kind of birth defect - a misalignment of sexual anatomy and reproductive targeting behaviors - the engine of myth-making will power on at full throttle.
You are obviously a stranger to the erotic potential of your butt. Poor you.
Biologist here. Do you know how evolution works? Homosexuality is a thing because on the balance (key phrase), for our ancestors, homosexual relationships very slightly increased chances of survival to reproduction. Not necessarily the individual, but the individual's genetic group (family).
It doesn't matter whether the rectum is a sex organ. In fact I would believe you if you said the evidence shows that anal sex by itself is not adaptive, does not increase chances of survival. What matters a bit more is the impact of the homosexual bond on the chances of survival of the genetic group.
That's why being LGB is actually partly genetic.
There is zero evidence that homosexual men contribute to family survival in the present day. Aunts and grandmothers do far more to protect children than a homosexual brother or uncle. In my experience, homosexual men and women don't give a hoot in hell about anyone else's children. Projecting this fantasy into the past is so dumb it's not even wrong.
Evolution never lies, bud. Trying to project morality onto it is dumb. DNA is extremely selfish, it doesn't care what's right, only what works.
Stick to your arguments about modern-day morality and leave biology out of it.
It's a great shame the Danish study missed the opportunity to tell us what we need to know: does transition reduce psychiatric morbidity and suicide? Their raw data could be re-analyzed if it were made available, but there seems to be a certain reluctance to even examine this question. One interesting tidbit has been published though—out of 15,000 kids referred to the Tavistock Clinic over a ten year period, there were four suicides. Rather suggests the "dead daughter or live son" dichotomy is hyperbole, doesn't it?
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-022-02287-7
It did tell, but you need access to the full text to see it. There was a guest access key that someone posted, but now it's not working. I read the article while the access key was still working.
The key detail in the full text is that the median age of suicides/attempts was 27.
The median age of identifying as trans was 22, so on the average, the ones that attempted/succeeded at suicide did so 5 years after identifying as trans. Not something you would expect if transitioning helped!
Anyway, here's the link to the partial text for reference:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2806531
These results are consistent with the Swedish study, which showed that suicide rates rose starting 10 years after transition, to a rate far exceeding the control group.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
Jon, what I still have trouble with is that you and so many others (ex: Andrew Doyle, and so many others) expose credible evidence of this whackaloonery, when I share yet another example to others in conversation, they are in disbelief that this is a thing!
Guess I’m hanging around the wrong “peoplekind”.
I don’t think it’s ending. I see no end in sight. Whatever, because I am really done having my reality stolen by .5% of the population and I’m done having everyone casually shrug this Sex Denialism cult. And as for kindness blah blah-I don’t want to feel obliged to appease people who hate their bodies. Particularly when everyone has basically dropped women on our heads. Life is hard everyone can carry their flipping bags. I’m done with this crap. I’m not gonna be nice anymore. I have nothing anyone can take so I’m gonna go for it. NoFear.
This is nowhere near ending (though I understand why people wish it were so).
Trans has now become a sacred belief for almost the entire educated urban culture class of the Anglosphere, including all of Hollywood, the Dem Party, the MSM, academia, and just about anyone under 30 who's been to college and lives in a city.
When almost every power center gets behind a sacred narrative, claims that any dissent is profane pollution and the demon who committed it needs to be cast out, they are not just going to wake up en masse one day and say, Oh, sorry, our bad.
The New Left did not spend 50 years on a Long March to seize the means of cultural production in order to back down or give up on one of their most cherished goals: the demonization and deconstruction of the mammalian sex binary, to be replaced by jargon-based radical gnosticism. The goal is to tear down all "oppressive norms" so the first become last and the last become first, and yesterday's victims become today's holy children, or more simply: they wanted to hold the whip, they have the whip, they're not putting down the whip anytime soon.
Fantastic. And more good news yesterday for LGB Alliance's Allison Bailey.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12279791/Gender-critical-barrister-Allison-Bailey-wins-substantial-damages-chambers.html
May i kindly request the links to the Quillette podcasts please. Id like to learn more. 🌳 ( i have a family member transitioning and it’s killing me)
There are two key characteristics of this cult that stand out: 1) they came after children with the unapologetic intent to physically mutilate them; 2) they viciously attacked the livelihoods of those who dared question their insane delusions. That transformed this cult from an oddity to a danger to society.
Thanks Mr Kay for your pertinent and informative article. I have personal experience with gender dysphoria, and it is very disconcerting, to say the least.